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This link ( is, as far as I know, the first important main stream media documentary on the MGTOW movement. It was made by the BBC, as a radio program, interviewing a handful of MGTOWs in the UK. The interviewer was obviously rather cynical, but at least the interviewees got a chance to air some of their opinions to the masses, the millions.

That BBC radio interview is now up on YouTube so it can be spread all over the world (except where I live, in China, which has a government which censors YouTube to keep the Chinese population from being infected by the “democracy, freedom of speech virus” that would “undermine the stability of society” (CCP-speak for throwing out the one party dictatorship that has killed 80 million of its own citizens under Mao, and continues to rob the people massively.)

I consider this interview to be a bit of history, and have been putting up its link on a daily basis to Sandman’s and TFM’s sites, so that many MGTOWs/masculists can listen to it, as well as for other journalists, who may be inspired to make similar interviews.

However, it was not a good interview in my opinion. If I had been interviewed in it I would have been a lot more forceful and persuasive. The interviewer was quite a male feminist and largely ignorant of MGTOW/masculist ideas, so I would have appealed to his self interest, with the most forceful of MGTOW/masculist arguments that he as a male could hardly deny.

I hope in future media interviews, that the MGTOWs/masculists being interviewed will be influenced by my suggestions below and make a much stronger case for MGTOW/masculism that really turns the journalists’ heads, converting them into MGTOW/masculist sympathizers.

Here’s what I would have said.

“You sound as though you are a bit of a male feminist, which is understandable. You’ve had decades to absorb the feminist message. You have not yet absorbed the MGTOW/masculist message. You can make an analogy that the men’s lib movement (MGTOW/masculist) is just getting off the ground now, with the first media interviews, so is where 2nd wave feminism was in the late 60s.

If you want to know “Why now?” What has caused the rise of MGTOW/masculism now, rather than decades ago? The main answer is that MGTOW/masculism is largely a reaction by men to the toxicity of divorce and hence marriage, due to the takeover of the divorce courts by fluffie feminists, causing roughly one married man in four in the US to be financially massacred. A divorcing man will lose his kids, his house, so that his fluffie ex-wife can have it to raise her kids in, he will be forced by the divorce courts to pay child support to kids he will barely see, and if the ex-wife is a fluffie, he may have to pay her alimony so that she can remain parasiting on his money after the divorce, the way she did before the divorce.

With these horrific odds of one in four, it is not surprising that in the US and Japan now, two thirds, (70%) of young men refuse to marry and refuse to have kids, spending their money on themselves. This refusal of paternity is the most important phenomenon of our times, because (do the math) it means that whole populations get wiped out in a mere century (i.e. 4 generations, so with the young generation reproducing only a third of their number, that’s a third of a third of a third of a third = roughly 1%).

So men have gone on a “man strike.” They refuse to be manslaves to women. Masculists (men’s libbers, the obvious male equivalent to the word feminist) state that their major political goal is to wipe out fluffies (i.e. traditional women who expect to be able to parasite off the money of a man) not by killing them, but simply refusing to have anything to do with them, forcing them to rot on the shelf to extinction.

MGTOWs/masculists will have relationships with women, but only if the women are FIPs (financially independent persons) who have bothered to get a career-competent education (i.e. STEM (science, tech, engineering, math) major) so that they can be career competent, financially responsible adults, and not parasite off a man in her 30s when her biological clock is ticking hard, and she realizes she cannot afford to buy a middle class house to raise her kids in, due to her fluffie crap diploma, so she starts looking around for some manslave dupe (who has not had his men’s consciousness raised) to pay for her, for her kids, and for the house, that a decade later, she will steal from him via the fluffie feminist dominated divorce courts.

Fluffies are the enemy of the masculists. Masculists put enormous moral pressure on fluffies to be FIP or they won’t get a man. “Be FIP, or be manless!” “No calculus, no baby!” If a woman is a fluffie and manless, she will be loveless, sexless, babyless, poor, and increasingly shunned by a society that is becoming ever more in agreement with masculists who label fluffies as “immoral, parasitic, manslaving vermin, to be wiped out.” Masculists are in the 21st century, what northern Americans were in the 19th century, i.e. abolitionists against Negro slavery. Man slavery is slavery, slavery is a war issue, and the masculists are at war against the fluffies, aiming to wipe them out, tin order to create a FIP society.

Masculists are more politically oriented than MGTOWs (men going their own way). MGTOWs usually just walk away passively from the marriage market, refusing marriage and paternity. Masculists are often MGTOWs but push for political change. Masculists push the journalists and the gender politicians to menfair the gender laws, or the MGTOWs/masculists will continue the paternity strike and wipe out whole populations.

This threat of wiping out whole populations is very powerful, and will obviously FORCE the gender politicians to menfair the gender laws, e.g. in the divorce courts, making custody of children JOINT, by default, throwing out alimony, promoting the idea that the divorcing couple buy a cheap apartment near the house that they alternate in, e.g. in one week, the father is in the apartment, while the mother is in the house with the kids, and the next week, they two parents swap places.

Masculists have a whole list of legal discriminations against men that need to be systematically eradicated from the planet. One of the biggest is the lack of the Parer (paternity rejection right) i.e. the right of a man to reject unwanted paternity. Women have had a Marer since the 70s, thanks to political pressure from the 2nd wave feminists. Men have no such equivalent right, so can have their lives ruined when their wives/girlfriends lie to them about taking the pill, and getting “accidentally” (on purpose) pregnant and then forcing a paternity suit on the man.

The lack of the Parer is a blatant example of sexual discrimination against men, and this lack is one of the many reasons why masculists are so insistent on women becoming FIPs, so that if a FIP woman gets pregnant and the father rejects paternity, she can go ahead with the pregnancy if she wants, but she gets FULL financial, legal responsibility for the costs of the kid.

The 2nd wave feminists were mostly sages (intellectuals) who made reasonable demands, e.g. equal pay for equal work, equal access to the professions, the Marer (abortion right) etc. I would be a male (2nd wave) feminist, just because of my liberal nature. I saw such things as fair, but that was half a century ago. Today’s 3rd wave feminists are mostly peakers (people of average ability lying in the peak of the Bell curve) who are out and out gynocrats. They are hypocrites who want equal rights but reject equal obligations, i.e. sharing the burden of earning the living, by becoming FIPs, getting a FIP education, so not studying fluffie crap. These fluffie feminists don’t give a shit about the ex-husbands they financially massacre in the divorce courts, even holding “divorce parties’ after they get his money, feeling no moral obligation to be a FIP and a morally responsible adult.

So, given this child like behavior of the fluffies in the divorce courts, men are on strike, and the masculists are pointing the finger at these fluffies, saying that “If you women don’t FIPup, you will be punished!” Men are mostly FIPs, so have the power to force women to be FIPs. A fluffie can only be a fluffie if she can get her financial claws into a manslave, but the supply of such gullible ignorant men is drying up. Already 70% of young men under 35 in the US and Japan reject the traditional manslave role of the man, working for a woman. This is why fluffies are shitting in their pants, because they feel profoundly threatened. The man strike will force them to become adults, to take responsibility for their own lives. They will have to be FIPs and get a FIP major (STEM) education.

But having all women being FIPs will not stop the man strike. The gender politicians still have to menfair the gender laws. MGTOWs/masculists will continue to reject paternity until that happens. In the meantime, men still want sex from a woman, so many of them will adopt a lifestyle that does not involve the traditional cost for getting regular sex from a woman, i.e. being her manslave. This lifestyle is called “twaytweffing” (2A2F = two apartments, two FIPs) i.e. both the man and the woman are FIPs and have their own apartment each.

When a twaytwef relationship fails, as nearly all do, the man just walks away, cost free to him. There is no divorce, because no marriage, no child payments, because no kids, no house loss or alimony, because the woman is a FIP. The big plus of twaytweffing for a man is that it keeps the woman being nice to him, no nagging, no withholding of sex, no female hysterics, because she knows that he can walk away so easily if she starts becoming a bitch, so she is always nice to him through fear of losing him so easily. The only thing holding a twaytwef relationship together, is the quality of the relationship. If that fails, its over.

MGTOWs teach that women don’t love men, they only love men’s exploitability. This is shown clearly in the divorce courts, where one married woman in four financially massacres her ex husband, and feels no guilt about it. Women evolved to be parasites on men. Women had to stay home with the infants and could not hunt, so were critically dependent on men to give them protein for them and their babies to survive, so they evolved to become the sexiest of all mammals, trading female sex for protein. They evolved to become prostitutes for men.

MGTOWs also teach that women are hypergamous, i.e. are genetically programmed to dump her current man for a more exploitable man (richer, taller, stronger, higher status) if a realistic opportunity comes along, that women have no loyalty to men, only to themselves and to their kids. To women, men are disposable, to be exploited for their resources. This bitter reality, that is difficult for men to swallow, is called the “Red Pill” by the MGTOWs (a term taken from the movie “The Matrix.”)

Masculists accept this Darwinian nature of women, but nevertheless claim that women can be forced to become responsible adult FIPs, otherwise they are punished by not getting a man.

MGTOW/masculism will become as important to society as was feminism. It will force women to take responsibility for their own lives, and it will force the gender politicians to menfair the gender laws, or the MGTOWs/masculists will continue the paternity strike AND WIPE OUT WHOLE POPULATIONS.” It’s only a question of time before this critically important message is known by everyone.



Prof. Dr. Hugo de Garis



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